posted 06-18-2007 07:37 PM            

What is the "Canadian Police College Polygraph school's Jimmy story?"

posted 06-18-2007 08:25 PM            

"The Jimmy story" is part of the pre-test. It is a story about a "Jimmy" who essentially breaks into a house out of necessity (gas to get somebody with a broken leg to the hospital - or something like that - it's been a while). It has nothing to do with establishing psych set and everything to do with getting a pre-test confession. It's a theme with rationalization, minimization and projection all built in.

The former CPC director told me the best test is the one you never have to run, and they push the envelope when it comes to going for the pre-test confession.

I'm of the opinion that the pre-test should be neutral, and I think this "story" can put you over the line. It's a great story for the DI post-test though.

The general outline of their pre-test is good, and I used most of it for a while when I got out of polygraph school. I think I still use their pre-employment version for my pre-employment tests - at least I think that's where I got it.

I heard there may be some writing on the topic soon, so be on the lookout for that....

Dan,

posted 06-18-2007 11:30 PM            

There was a pre-test story that was used to establish a fictitious crime for a Guilt Complex Test. I am not sure if the “Jimmy story” was a part of this ever.

posted 06-19-2007 11:29 PM            

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guilt complex reactor
Hypothetical personality trait that causes innocent examinees to physiologically
respond to any question that they consider accusatory. Guilt complex questions have
been used in many of the contemporary formats at one time or another in an attempt to identify those examinees who would produce a false positive outcome because of this
tendency.

guilt complex test
A PDD test format in which an examinee is tested on a fabricated crime. The guilt
complex text has several purposes, primarily in avoiding false positive outcomes. It is also powerful evidence in court testimony if it indicates truthfulness while the other testing results in a conclusion of deception. The guilt complex test was taught in the earliest years of the Reid and Keeler schools. See: Abrams (1977).

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posted 06-20-2007 09:44 AM            

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At the risk of re-igniting the "art v. science" debate

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Do it. Do it. All your friends would do it.

r

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posted 06-20-2007 09:54 AM            

JB,

posted 06-20-2007 08:59 PM         

Yeah, you're right... Hell, not only would my friends do it, they'd do it six ways to Sunday! Stay tuned. :-)

Dan

posted 06-21-2007 11:51 AM            

- 79 XS special (the blasted 4 gal tank)
- 80 XS standard - Vetter Touring
- 81 XJ

The '80 is back together after a bout of tag with a drunken neighbor. I've been reluctant to take it any distance since the wreck, and I've considered moving the touring gear and big tank to the 79 (then keep the 80 for parts). The 79 is a great bike, with better carbs and a real speedo.

I have a line on a Venture tank (6 gallon touring tank), but it has a hole in it, and I'm not wild about having to weld a gas tank. (So if you see my with no eye-brows its not from trichotillomania).

Here is the 80G in snow/ice at 11,000 feet on 6/13/05. in pre-accident condition.

we had to take a break from the cold. Plus is was getting tiring standing up to look over the iced up windshield and my helmet was icing up too.

The 81 is a very pretty bike, with original mufflers, nice chrome, leather bags, luggage rack and a big windshield. I'm getting old to be impressed by wind. It may have a new home in Pheonix shortly. I'll miss it.

Nick and I may take the 80 to the mountains this afternoon. We have plans to climb a Grey's and Torrie's peaks (twin 14,000 foot peaks) before dark on this longest day of the year.

This is our objective.
http://www.raymondnelson.us/images/greys_and_torries.jpg

our last trip to torries
http://www.raymondnelson.us/images/ray_and_nick_TorriesPeak_7-17-05.jpg

Kiddo likes to be a smartie during every pic, so I had to retaliate.
http://www.raymondnelson.us/images/nickmud.jpg

We'll probably have another round of pranks today.

Summertime.

r

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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room."
--(Stanley Kubrick/Peter Sellers - Dr. Strangelove, 1964)

posted 06-22-2007 09:29 PM            

Even when the kids mess something up bad - which really isn't that bad and usually just means I get to fix something (and I like fixing things) - Malia and I remind each other to take a good long look because some day we might just miss that kind of thing.

Three boys, you're in for some fun.

Nick's not much for bikes but he humors me with some rock climbing and mountaineering. Last night we got some good snow above the tree-line. Mountains create their own whether systems.

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'nuff o that sappy stuff

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For now, I'm back to working late on a Friday.

Where's the Jimmy story?

r

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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room."
--(Stanley Kubrick/Peter Sellers - Dr. Strangelove, 1964)